Nowdays, I write code in perl and korn shell with some tcl/tk. For 15+ years, I primarily wrote C code. A couple of years back, I wrote a medium-sized tcl/tk client/server application for my current employer's flagship product. I would use tcl more often, rather than perl, if tcl had references and garbage collection of objects. I don't think I would have liked perl 4 (which didn't have references). You can reach me at jrw32982 {remove this} at yahoo dot com.